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Data Engineer

Role: Data Engineer

Location: Nottingham (Flexibility with regards to hybrid and remote working)

Salary: Up to 65k, with wiggle room for exceptional candidates

Is Data the butter to your bread? Looking for a role in which you will be able to help shape and change the company’s technical approach? If so, this may be the right role for you so please read on!

This company is one of Nottingham’s success stories. They have grown and developed into a bonafide disruptive national Fintech brand, taking their own brand of ‘doing things differently’ to a traditionally slow-moving and cumbersome industry.

They’ve won loads of awards for both their disruptive technology and for also being an employer of choice, so you can be sure that by joining them you’ll be working somewhere that strives to do its best for their employees and customers.

Reporting to the Head of Data you will help them grow and develop the data function. This includes people, processes and technology. However, you must first and foremost be a hands-on data engineer as writing code is still a key part of the role!

Whilst you will have experience with SQL they are having a huge push to move to a data bricks platform, so any experience with Azure data bricks is a huge plus. Exposure to Google Cloud will be a bonus as they are creating a new platform on GCP, however, there is still much Azure work to be done!

You will need Python experience and will also get the chance to work with Pyspark.

You will be joining a team which has a great culture and atmosphere. They are a collaborative bunch who are keen and are looking forward to moving the data function forward and embracing new technologies.

So, if you are looking to join a friendly business which offers autonomy and trust, as well as a nice bonus package, then please get in and hit apply today!

GreenTech Ruby on Rails Developer

GreenTech Ruby on Rails Developer – Remote, UK

Salary: £55,000 – £65,000 + equity and benefits.
Location: Remote (UK based)

Isn’t food awesome? Chicken teriyaki, jacket potato and beans ” with or without cheese? East or South Asian curry ” vegan, veggie or meaty? Fish and chips.

It’s all good stuff. But did you know – 40% of all food grown, never gets eaten by a human? Mental.

We could feed a few folks with that, I reckon. The more you look into it, the more you realise that food waste is a massive problem. It emits methane too! Bugger.

Thankfully, it’s not all doom and gloom.

Over 81% of us would be happy to accept food from a neighbour or someone in their community. There’s a company getting more people ” and businesses too! to do exactly that.

They’re working with businesses and suppliers across the food and beverage supply chain, around the world, to operate more sustainably and divert unsold or unwanted food into the bellies of the folks that need and want it.

They’ve grown organically over the last 8 years, and have over 6 million users with 65,000 volunteers. That’s 6 million people doing their bit to remove food waste from the equation, and they can do it all with a few clicks, taps and snaps!

They’ve got big plans, new features and integrations in the works that’ll make it easier for users to share and collect, right now the tech team sits around 25 people, across dev and test.

In 6 months or so that’ll grow to about 32. That’s where you come in!

They’re a friendly bunch and as you can imagine everyone in the team is passionate about sustainability. If you’re someone that really cares about this stuff, you’ll be right at home, literally ” they’re a remote-first company.

If you’ve been a dev for ~4 years and maybe one or two of that have been with Ruby on Rails, boom! If you enjoy peer programming and are comfortable with testing using tools like Rspec or Capybara and want to solve tricky problems, sweet!

They use things like AWS with S3, ECR, ELB, and Cloudwatch and also use Docker, Travis CI for their CICD, lots of google maps integration and Redis, among other things. Any experience with those or similar tools will help. Most importantly, they’ll want to hear where you see yourself in the bigger picture of climate action.

If you fancy building something that could change behaviours around food waste for good, helping millions of people along the way, well. You know what to do.

[It’s hit APPLY, you should really, really think about hitting APPLY].

Full Stack Developer

Role: Full Stack TypeScript & Python Software Engineer

Salary: up to £70k

Location: Fully remote/ remote first. They have no office!

Would you like to use your tech skills to help reduce the damaging impact of transportation on the climate crisis?

Then this role and company might just well be what you’ve been looking for!

I am looking for a Full Stack Software Engineer, with a specialism in Python and TypeScript (Node) and web development.

You will be going into a small, but growing, company and team; there are 2 developers there currently and around 10-15 people in the company as a whole. They are a talented and caring bunch of people from diverse backgrounds, who love what they do and believe strongly in the company’s mission.

Data IS the company’s product. They use it to augment behaviours within the transportation sector to reduce fuel costs and usage; helping the companies they work with to save money and, most importantly, to have a significant, positive impact on the environment.

Due to the nature of the business, having a strong passion for data would be a major advantage! SQL skills around data modelling, CRUD ops, etc would be beneficial.

As they are a start-up, they have virtually no tech debt, all their projects are greenfield; making this a veritable utopia for developers! They always endeavour to improve a system before building new features on it; something that I’ve not seen many other companies do.  And that speaks volumes about their general approach to their tech – sustainability, efficiency, and scalability are paramount.

To give you an idea of what you can expect to be doing in this role; you will, amongst other things, be tasked with the Design, build, and maintenance of multiple parts of the product, including; their customer-facing web app, backend systems, databases, microservices, third-party APIs, and servers in the cloud.

It would be really useful if you’ve worked in a cloud environment previously, with DevOps processes in place; taking part in interacting with the cloud, using CI/ CD pipelines for deployment through to production. It doesn’t matter which cloud you’ve used before- GCP/ Azure or AWS, but they use AWS, so this would be the most pertinent for this role.

They like to have good debates and technical conversations around best practices and how they can continuously improve how they do things, so if you’re the type of person to have strong views on these kinds of things- with enough humility to have your mind changed, and accept where other peoples’ ideas might be a better solution for the problem at hand- then you’ll fit right in!

They all work entirely remotely and don’t have an office, so you’ll need to be happy and able to comfortably work from home. They do like to socialise though! So in-person meetup suggestions- perhaps in a hot desk environment or a meeting for a coffee, would be welcomed.

If this sounds right up your street, then please get in touch to find out more, or apply today!

Head of Sales

Role:  Head of Sales

Location:  Bristol (Hybrid)

Salary:  £80k – £100k

You’ve been in this game for a while now.

MSPs, IT Vendors, IT Solutions, you name it, you’ve been there.

Training and coaching others come naturally to you and sharing your wisdom along the way.

But now, something’s missing.

Maybe you’re a bit bored and you’re not feeling particularly challenged anymore.

Well. I’m working with a small (but growing!) IT Managed Service Provider who is looking for an experienced Business Development/Sales Leader to help the business meet its growth plans, whether you’re an ambitious Manager looking to step up, or you’re looking to join a smaller business where you’ll have a greater impact, this challenge might be for you!

You’ll need to have a strong background in IT service delivery and be experienced in implementing successful commercial strategies, using those skills to help this business grow within the public sector and transform its client base from a mainly SMB to an Enterprise focus!

In return, you can expect to grow and manage a fantastic team and see yourself on the board of Directors, along with owning your very own stake in the business.

You’ll be using your already extensive network in IT to drive new business opportunities and you’ll be maximising opportunity within existing accounts, coordinating with marketing and other teams in the business to get high-value deals over the line.

In terms of requirements for this role, they are looking for:

– Several years of experience selling IT services to the public/private sector

– Successful track record of developing and delivering on commercial growth strategies

– Management/mentorship of a sales team and quota

– Experience operating within the public sector and winning tenders

Based in the Southwest of England, ideally, you’ll be local to their office. Salary-wise, they are very open minded and happy to understand what your expectations are based on your experience, so if this sounds like something you’re interested in, hit apply, and let’s talk!

GreenTech Electrical Engineer

GreenTech Electrical Engineers, design and build – Renewables, Data Centres & Substations
Location: Norway – Oslo, Portugal – Lisbon, Scandinavia
Salary: €45K – €100K permanent OR; up to €500 per day contract.
Role: Designing and building electrical infrastructure for data centres and renewable power stations on the European mainland.

Electrify everything. With renewables…

That’s the name of the game when it comes to tackling the climate crisis. We’ve passed the point of making renewable energy cheaper than fossil fuels and there are £/$/€ billions being spent on improving capabilities for all types of renewables from wave energy to more efficient photovoltaics.

The EU has recently made initial commitments of € 250 billion to fund green initiatives and enable net-zero progress to counter the Inflation Reduction Act in the US.

This will incentivise the building of building efficient data centres, low-carbon transport, sustainable homes and heating system, substations to connect renewable energy to the grid and international super connectors to share energy across borders.

This transition requires electrical engineers to design, build and maintain the necessary infrastructure. That’s where you come in!

If you’ve worked on complex energy control systems or renewables projects before, or have dabbled in R&D and innovative sectors such as Hydrogen or alternative fuels, grid connections for wave, geothermal or hydropower, you’ll immediately stand out.

A currently small but quickly growing team of ~25 engineers, designers, and project and product managers are working on varied projects currently focused on data centres and designing substations and power stations to take the energy generated by renewables and get it into people’s homes and businesses.

With data centres, they also look to harness excess heat generated by the servers for heating greenhouses, community centres and swimming pools, businesses or homes where possible. They need people with familiarity working on highly innovative projects.

As you’ll no doubt know, substations, solar farms, power stations and data centres aren’t always built in town or city centres, so for hands-on engineering roles, you’ll need to be willing to travel to sites across the Scandinavian region – with appropriate rights to work. This may also apply to design positions where terrain or existing infrastructure complicate things.

The company are charging ahead into a bold new world that’s only accelerating further towards net zero. Decarbonising our daily lives. In 2017 data passed oil as the most valuable commodity on the planet, and renewables projects are increasing rapidly year-on-year so I’m sure you can see the scale of opportunity on offer here.

If this all sounds quite exciting and you meet the requirements mentioned above, please do reach out or apply.

Lead Developer

Role:  Senior & Lead Developer (C# .Net Core)

Location:  Fully remote (1/ fortnight in the office for team meetings)

Salary:  Up to £65k depending on the level of experience

If you’re fed up with getting passed rubbish projects, not having the support you need to do your job to the best of your ability, and having no real career progression or training, then you should apply for this role.

I know it’s a blunt opener, but I can’t think of a witty way to say; ‘you’re being underappreciated and that should stop because you’re great. Here’s how.’

I’m recruiting for a company in Leicester, and they need a Developer.

They’ll be good to you.

They have some great projects to get stuck into- both internal and external- because a few years ago some really great, forward-thinking people in their tiny ‘IT dept’ decided to champion tech to the board of Directors, and they got the go-ahead to put tech at the heart of the company, and it’s working; they are doing better than ever before.

They have done -and are continuing to make the lives of their non-IT colleagues better by improving the systems/ apps they use better. They are delivering new external applications to ameliorate the experience of their users.

They use the latest iterations of the tech they use- C#, .Net Core, Azure, Azure DevOps, CosmosDB, Azure AD, Docker, Kubernetes, Entity Framework, microservices, etc. and believe in doing things the *right* way, both in terms of technical best practice and methodologically, with things like Agile and DevOps processes.

They have implemented an Agile methodology and team structure; so whilst the team structure is quite flat because of that- lots of cross-collaboration between PMs, BAs, Devs, Test, etc. they are a relatively large company, and there are progression routes a-plenty, with training offered, too.

They have several technical teams, filled with people that love what they do, and are blinking great at it.

They are genuinely committed to being one of the best companies to work for in terms of their people, tech, projects, and beautiful office (with free parking and lots of treats in the kitchen).

If you would like to learn more about this role, give me a shout at the contact details provided, or if you’re fully bought in, apply now!

Welcome to the next step in your career.

GreenTech Principal Geospatial Data Scientist

Principal Geospatial Data Scientist – Conservation
Location: Fully remote within Europe, +/- 2 hours of CET.
Salary: £70K – £100K + 13% vacation supplement + equity & benefits.

Forest management can be challenging. Cut too much and you’re causing unnecessary damage, too little and the risk of wildfire or damage to infrastructure can be devastating and costly.

Vegetation management may not sound all that exciting but building earth observation software to integrate satellite imagery with geospatial analysis and Machine Learning with data coming in from teams, remote sensors and other hardware on the ground presents interesting challenges!

These systems are used to efficiently manage resources and team activities, saving time and money.

Most importantly though, this saves homes, businesses and services from blackouts caused by seasonal and extreme weather events. It’s a game changer improving energy and climate resilience.

The company have grown rapidly since the end of 2021. There are 60 people now, with around 25 of those in development and data science.

The data science team are growing to increase the capacity of their systems for their existing clients, and to meet demand as new clients with ever-more-interesting requirements come online. They need someone to support their efforts to utilise satellite imagery and other geospatial datasets and analyse those using machine learning, delivering the end results to customers.

You’ll work with the software engineering teams to improve and create products and tools, support customers, refine and build data models and look at optimising data pipelines, nudging their systems onto the next stage of evolution.

Commercial remote sensing experience and having worked on projects with Python or C++ are a must, and they’re keen to speak with people who’ve worked at start-ups or small companies where close customer relationships and interaction are/were the norm.

Predominantly they use Python, but they also work quite heavily with GIS technologies and tools. They also use PyTorth and Tensorflow, so experience with similar frameworks or libraries will be transferrable, especially if you’ve worked with geospatial and satellite data. They’re not too picky about whether you’ve worked with R, MATLAB or others, so long as are familiar with Python and can complete a ~4-hour take-home task using it.

There will be some projects you manage independently, and others where you collaborate with the broader team, including customer success.

If alongside being a data scientist you’re deeply curious about climate change, nature and biodiversity, this is a great opportunity to explore those passions and contribute to interesting products with tangible impacts, please do apply.

The team are friendly and passionate, and the company are supportive with good benefits including equity, so you’re bought into any future success.

What are you waiting for? :D

Account Executive

Role:  Account Executive

Location:  Shoreditch – Hybrid – No less than 3 days/week in the office

Salary:  £35k – £50k

You’re a problem solver.

You work with urgency, and you know your market, maximising opportunities on multiple levels to bring home the bucks!

But something’s missing.

Maybe you’re looking for a more challenging environment, or maybe you’re wanting to deliver value in an area that is facilitating positive change in the current and future workplace.

Well.

I’m working with a tech start-up in Psychometric assessments, established in 2020 they have grown to a team of 35 with ambitious growth plans moving forward, and a real drive to take this tech to market.

They’ve partnered with one of the worlds-leading psychometric assessment providers to deliver real value to their customers, so you’ll have the power of a well-recognised brand behind you, helping you knock down doors.

Their in-house psychologist team are also developing their product offering; helping organisations globally transform how they hire, including the likes of Deloitte, Unilever, and Volkswagen.

After a great start to establishing their position in the market, and having won business already with global reputable brands, you’ll be at the forefront of their GTM strategy, driving revenue growth and brand recognition with every deal you close.

As an Account Executive, you’ll be responsible for becoming a product expert, researching your prospects, and doing what you need to establish relationships and build on them.  Showcasing the platform, and negotiation; is about high volume to be successful, so you’ll need to have what it takes. Grit and determination.

Sales cycles are short, the business moves fast, and this is a start-up, so you’ll need to be comfortable with an evolving, fast-growth environment. Processes are still being established, so if that puts you off, this isn’t for you ” this is for someone who thrives in a start-up capacity and can drive new ideas and procedures throughout the business.

This is really about your work ethic and commercial aptitude; however, you do need the following:

✊  Experience as an SDR looking to progress or with 2 years of experience as an AE.

✊  Interest in the tech and the value it delivers.

✊  Ability to thrive in a fast-paced, start-up environment.

Based in Shoreditch and looking to have the sales team in the office no less than 3 days a week, they’re paying up to £50k basic (DOE) + UNCAPPED commission, with fast routes to progression and greater earnings.

I have way more to share, so, if this sounds of interest, let’s talk!

Customer Success Manager

Role:  Customer Success Manager

Location:  Shoreditch ” Hybrid ” No less than 3 days/week in the office

Salary:  £40k – £50k + Bonus

You’ve been in Customer Success for a few years now.

Solving problems, ensuring retention, meeting evolving requirements and coordinating internally. You love all of this!

But something’s not quite right.

Perhaps you’re bored. Perhaps you’re looking for a more exciting product, maybe you need to be inspired by a new company that will challenge and develop your skills further.

Well.

I’m working with a tech start-up in Psychometric assessments, established in 2020 they have grown to a team of 35 with ambitious growth plans moving forward, and a real drive to take this tech to market.

They’ve partnered with one of the worlds-leading psychometric assessment providers to deliver real value to their customers, as well as their in-house psychologist team developing their product offering; helping organisations globally transform how they hire, including the likes of Deloitte, Unilever, and Volkswagen.

With the impressive growth of their customer portfolio, comes the inevitable need for a talented Customer Success Manager” and this is where you come in!

But this is no basic CSM role, this is their first ever dedicated CSM, so, you’ll be joining a business with no existing CSM procedures or processes, and you’ll be in a position to transform their way of working, using your experience and initiative to advise on best practice.

You’ll need to be a go-getter, who’s not afraid of working independently whilst you build your team, and you’ll need to be a future leader because you’ll be the one heading up this whole department! Exciting, right?!

In the initial instance, you’ll be rolling out an engagement strategy for your customers, establishing and building long-lasting relationships and ensuring their needs are met; always looking for opportunities to upsell/cross-sell, maximising revenue.

To be considered, you’ll need to have:

Successful track record in CS roles ” 3 years minimum experience

✊  Drive to grow and lead a department.

✊  Interest in the tech and the value it delivers.

✊  Great work ethic and is a go-getter.

Based in Shoreditch and looking to have the team in the office no less than 3 days a week, they’re paying up to £50k basic + quarterly bonus, with fast routes to progression and greater earnings.

I have way more to share, so, if this sounds of interest, let’s talk!

Business Development Representative

Role: Business Development Representative

Location: Shoreditch – Hybrid – No less than 3 days/week in the office

Salary: £30k – £40k OTE

You’re great on the phone.

You’re willing to put in the graft because you know you’ll reap the rewards; the money, the development, the progression opportunities ” this will all be available to you.

I’m working with a tech start-up in Psychometric assessments, established in 2020 they have grown to a team of 35 with ambitious growth plans moving forward, and a real drive to take this tech to market.

They’ve partnered with one of the worlds-leading psychometric assessment providers to deliver real value to their customers, as well as their in-house psychologists developing their product offering; helping organisations globally transform how they hire.

After a great start to establishing their position in the market, and having won business already with global reputable brands, you’ll be at the forefront of their GTM strategy, driving revenue growth and brand recognition with every call you make.

As a BDR, you’ll be responsible for generating opportunities, researching prospects, and using a combination of calls, emails, and social selling to understand pain points and problems, closing to a meeting with a member of the Account Executive team.

Whilst you’ll have the support and training from industry experts all around you, you’ll need to be confident on the phone and in your new business outreach, this role is purely outbound, so if the hunt doesn’t excite you, this isn’t for you!

You’ll be paid per demo that’s attended, and earn 3% revenue on all deals closed, not to mention that it has only taken previous BDRs 9 to 12 months to progress to a 360 role, where you’ll be getting an even bigger slice of the pie! So, if you work hard, you can expect to not have to stay in this role for long.

This opportunity is all about your drive, commercial ability, and intellect ” you’ll need to grasp the value their technology delivers and understand how to maximise opportunity with every call. All they’re looking for is:

✊  Cold calling experience (at least 1 year as a BDR)

✊  Interest in psychometrics and assessments

✊  Hunter mindset and a great work ethic

Based in Shoreditch and looking to have the sales team in the office no less than 3 days a week, they’re paying up to £35k basic + commission, with fast routes to progression and greater earnings.

I have way more to share, so, if this sounds of interest, let’s talk!

Lead Data Engineer

Role: Lead Data Engineer

Location: Hybrid (London/Manchester once every 2 weeks)

Salary: Up to £90K

Want to work with a high-performing squad? An agile team that takes pride in its versatility and is quick off the mark when it’s working on new and innovative software products. If you’re someone who wants to work in a dynamic, solutions-driven environment where intuition is as evenly valued as collaboration, please read on.

The role is working with a successfully growing insurance company that uses cutting-edge technology to drive its enterprise data projects. Their aim is to re-invent data analytics from the ground up, and they’re looking for someone to build the backbone of their data platform.

So, if words like cloud-native, serverless, CI/CD, Snowflake, ETL and SQL best describe you, you’re exactly who I’m looking for!

As a leader, you’ll be working alongside solution engineers, product managers, and developers alike to design and develop innovative data-driven solutions. If you have experience in data warehousing, a good understanding of database management systems, and automation tests, this role is the one for you.

The company has offices in Manchester and London, so you’ll be expected to travel onsite at least once every two weeks. The salary for this role is up to £90K.

Some of the benefits are listed below:

✊ 10% Pension scheme

✊ Health insurance (Life assurance cover)

✊ 15% discounted shares in the company

✊ Save as you earn scheme

If you’re interested in the role, please apply for a guaranteed personal reply (from me, Ali Hassan @ Rebel!)

Aviation Digital Product Manager

Role: Aviation Digital Product Manager

Location: Fully Remote

Salary: £50k to £60k per annum

Aviation! Aviation! Aviation! Product Managers! Right, do I have your attention?

What do

Aviation! Aviation! Aviation! Product Managers! Right, do I have your attention?

What do big, polluting aeroplanes and saving the planet have in common?  Not much I hear you say, and I wouldn’t blame you…but you’re wrong.  There is one organisation that is taking Green-Tech to the skies!

I am hunting for a digital product manager with experience in the aviation sector to move into an ESG-based software solutions company aimed at changing the behaviour of pilots to make more sustainable choices. Now let me give you a few more pointers….

Sector: Aviation/data-centric products (experience in this sector is ESSENTIAL)

Company size: Small (less than 30)

Angle: Software aimed at changing the behaviour of pilots to make more sustainable decisions around flying.

Working model: 100% remote

This company is looking for their first dedicated product manager to answer directly to the VP of product to analyse the market and competitors to come up with brand new features and identify gaps in sustainable aviation software offerings to create new products in the future.

Since this will be their first product manager, if you are currently stuck in a rut and want more product oversight, this is a role you could seriously get your teeth into.

A lot of the role will be looking at user feedback from pilots to make future offerings more competitive and user-friendly. If you have a personal passion for ESG/sustainability, you will literally be making a direct impact on managing the development of software products aimed at lowering pollution through digitally altering pilot behaviour.

If this sounds of interest, hit apply and we shall hopefully speak soon!

Senior Data Engineer

Role: Senior Software Engineer

Location: Hybrid (London/Manchester once every 2 weeks)

Salary: Up to £90K

Want to work with a high-performing squad? An agile team that takes pride in their versatility and being quick off the mark when it comes to working on new and innovative software products? If you’re someone who wants to work in a dynamic, solutions-driven environment where intuition is as evenly valued as collaboration, please read on.

The role is working with a successfully growing insurance company that uses cutting-edge technology to drive its enterprise data projects. Their aim is to re-invent data analytics from the ground up, and they’re looking for someone to build the backbone of their data platform.

So, if words like cloud-native, serverless, CI/CD, Snowflake, ETL and SQL best describe you, you’re exactly who I’m looking for!

You’ll be working alongside solution engineers, product managers, and developers alike to design and develop innovative data-driven solutions. If you have experience in data warehousing, and a good understanding of database management systems and automation tests, this role is the one for you.

The company has offices in Manchester and London, so you’ll be expected to travel onsite at least once every two weeks. The salary for this role is up to £90K.

Some of the benefits are listed below:

✊ 10% Pension scheme

✊ Health insurance (Life assurance cover)

✊ 5% discounted shares in the company

✊ Save as you earn scheme

If you’re interested in discussing this further, please apply for a guaranteed personal response (from me, Ali Hassan!) or call us!

Manufacturing Digital Product Manager

Role: Manufacturing Digital Product Manager

Salary: £40k to £55k per annum

Location: Nottingham – hybrid – 2 days/week in the office

Industry: Cloud-based solutions for manufacturing

Benefits: 25 days holiday including 8 bank holidays + being flown out to the Netherlands every 8 weeks (to meet with colleagues – although you’ll have plenty of UK colleagues too!)

Are you a mid-level digital product manager (with SaaS, or even some with manufacturing experience!) looking for your next role?

The company is still young, but on an exciting trajectory – they are ambitious and entrepreneurial, and although they only have about 25 people, they already have a presence in Europe and are expanding rapidly, with several new hires planned for 2023.

The company operate in a niche sector, but one with huge potential and they already have an enviable customer base that is expanding all the time – in short, they are going to be one to watch over the next few years, and you can be part of this growth story in this brand-new role reporting directly to the MD.

I’m looking for a digital product manager for this cloud-based manufacturing solutions company. In these uncertain times, their industry is as safe as they come!

This role would be perfect for someone looking for their next step up as a digital product manager or an experienced product manager stuck in a bit of a rut looking for more product oversight and opportunity to build new features and assess the market for new product potential.

You will be the first dedicated in-house product manager for this company and the hiring manager is the managing director, so you’ll have loads of influence, and your voice will be heard at the highest levels.

So, if you like the sound hit apply or drop us a line – I look forward to discussing this further!